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reminder that the characters in your story making stupid/bad decisions, being dishonest with themselves and the reader, and not knowing what's actually going on is not a "plot hole" it is how 99% of people operate in real life

@vriska the difference between fiction and nonfiction is that fiction has to make sense

@sun no it doesnt lol

Especially not when the characters are the point

@sun difference between bad SF novels and literature i suppose

@sun just thinking about how if you're reading something that is total schlock bullshit in the first place (like Dune) the "narrative" making "sense" is the only possible redeeming factor and it still falls short of that so often in genre fiction

I will assume you were just using "it's objectively bad" to mean "erm, I don't like this" then

@hourmutt @sun objectively incorrect assumption, but thanks for playing.

@hourmutt @sun the prose is drier than particle board. I've read KIA owners manuals with more flair and aptitude for language. it's the kind of book that people read in 7th grade and, having not read a book since, remember being "totally epic"

@hourmutt @sun if you have the kind of autism that makes you obsessed with surface-level interesting world building that is actually just being totally made up by someone who makes terry davis look well adjusted you can just read the wikipedia article for western europe post 1700

Thank you for elaborating.
>surface-level interesting world building
Scifi as a genre revolves entirely around world building & the "what if?" scenarios that arise from them. If Dune were truly only surface-level interesting that would be a damning indictment. I think it's actually pretty difficult to make scifi world building that isn't interesting -- even simple premises like "what if we couldn't have computers" can have lots of interesting consequences to explore.

To be clear, I'm only talking about the first Dune book. I've never read the others and I totally grant that they're stale dogwater.
yoshir

@hourmutt
It isn't even good at "what-if"s. Humanity decides to throw away all computers because they suposedly rose up and then reverted to for no reason. And then there is totaly-not-magical drugs that give you totaly-not-magical powers. There is about as much science in as there is in .
@vriska @sun

@yoshir @hourmutt @sun we're kinda doing feudalism irl just corpo version tbf

@yoshir @hourmutt @sun if we got rid of computers now we might be able to make elon kill himself, worth it

Maybe sci-fi is not the genre for you, my dude.